Late Roman Bronze Coins

Coin talk => Unlisted => Topic started by: Victor on May 04, 2023, 11:23:38 AM

Title: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Victor on May 04, 2023, 11:23:38 AM

RIC only lists this type from Trier; but they were also struck at London, Ticinum and Aquileia. Based on style, this one is from Ticinum. Pierre Bastien published two articles about these coins in the 70's.


Bastien, Pierre. “Une emission de folles sans marque a Ticinum en 312.” Schweizer Münzblätter  20 (1970) : 114- 115.

________. “Folles sans marque emis par Constantin en Italie.” Schweizer Münzblätter  24 (1974) : 5- 8.

Lech has this type here-- https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm1.html

Constantine I
A.D. 312-313
21mm   4.4g
CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; laureate and cuirassed bust right
MARTI CONSERVATORI; helmeted & cuirassed bust of Mars right
RIC VI Ticinum ---

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on May 06, 2023, 04:38:57 PM

Hi Victor

How do you distinguish Ticinum from Aquileia? I always have doubts. Sometimes a coin looks like Ticinum to me, and then I think maybe it's Aquileia after all. And then again the other way around. Maybe I should look for die-links with obverses from other issues.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Victor on May 07, 2023, 04:55:21 PM

Yes, die-links are the best way to be sure. Bastien illustrated this one from Aquileia--

though I am not sure mine is not actually from Aquileia, see the second pic below which was described by Paul-Francis Jacquier as being from Aquileia.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Nikko on May 08, 2023, 04:57:19 PM

I would say Ticinum, based upon Mars portrait style.

The one attached is clearly from Aquileia mint, IMHO

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on May 08, 2023, 05:14:46 PM

Thanks Victor. Probably a good start will be the analyze of all specimens listed in Bastien's papers.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on May 13, 2023, 02:09:57 PM

Hi Victor,

I am just studying Bastien's paper  “Folles sans marque emis par Constantin en Italie.” Am I right that no. 2c (attributed to Ticinum) is from the same dies as no. 8 (attributed to Aquileia according to die-link). Seems to me that also Bastien had problems with these two mints.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Victor on May 14, 2023, 05:18:13 PM

Yes, they seem to be a match.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on May 15, 2023, 05:38:40 AM

I finally added all the photos from Bastien, so there were also some changes. It's better, but not as good as I would like. I appreciate any comments. And of course info about new specimens.

TICINUM
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm4.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm1.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm2.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm2-2.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm3.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm7.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm6.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm5.html

AQUILEIA
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6aqu-130_unm2.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6aqu-130_unm3.html
https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6aqu-130_unm.html

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Nikko on May 29, 2023, 07:13:36 PM

I think this one i got a few days ago is also from Ticinum.

Portrait style is pretty similar to this one:

https://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6tic-115_unm2-2.html

but with Mars looking right.

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on May 30, 2023, 09:05:22 AM

Hi Nikko,

Congratulations! What is the weight and the diameter?

Title: Re: Constantine MARTI CONSERVATORI from Ticinum
Post by: Nikko on May 30, 2023, 04:28:36 PM

Thanks Lech! 22 mm x 3,08 gr