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Late Roman Bronze coins / Re: scratch and win lot of LRB's
« Last post by six2ten on February 02, 2024, 03:03:45 AM »Bummer, sorry to hear that
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Late Roman Bronze coins / Re: scratch and win lot of LRB's
« Last post by Victor on February 01, 2024, 02:44:42 PM »Well, I did my triage for the lot and 47 coins went into my junk pile. Lesson learned...don't buy these group lots from Stephen Album.
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General Discussion / Re: FRACTIONAL ISSUES OF 313
« Last post by Victor on February 01, 2024, 01:21:07 PM »here's my current set
Constantine I
A.D. 313
16x17mm 1.6gm half follis
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
FVNDAT PACIS; Mars, helmeted, nude, advancing right, looking left, trophy across left shoulder, flying chlamys, dragging captive by hair.
In ex. RS
RIC VII 12 Rome
Constantine I
A.D. 313
17mm 1.6g
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
GLORIA PERPET; Two victories advancing right, both holding wreath and palm frond, standard between them
In ex. R[…]
RIC VII Rome 14
Constantine I
A.D. 313
14mm 1.1gm
quarter follis
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
SAPIENTIA PRINCIPIS [Wisdom of the Prince] Altar with owl, spear across altar, shield to left and helmet to right.
in ex. RS
RIC VII Rome 16
Constantine I
A.D. 313
16x17mm 1.6gm half follis
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
FVNDAT PACIS; Mars, helmeted, nude, advancing right, looking left, trophy across left shoulder, flying chlamys, dragging captive by hair.
In ex. RS
RIC VII 12 Rome
Constantine I
A.D. 313
17mm 1.6g
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
GLORIA PERPET; Two victories advancing right, both holding wreath and palm frond, standard between them
In ex. R[…]
RIC VII Rome 14
Constantine I
A.D. 313
14mm 1.1gm
quarter follis
IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG; bare head right.
SAPIENTIA PRINCIPIS [Wisdom of the Prince] Altar with owl, spear across altar, shield to left and helmet to right.
in ex. RS
RIC VII Rome 16
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General Discussion / Re: Fel Temp Reparatio "One captive"
« Last post by Fel Temp Reparatio on February 01, 2024, 01:02:27 PM »To me, at first, it looked like a sort of Phrygian hat
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General Discussion / Re: Fel Temp Reparatio "One captive"
« Last post by Heliodromus on February 01, 2024, 09:33:58 AM »As far as who's being depicted on the reverse of Constantius' Fel Temp type, it's interesting to note the captive, such as on Joshmaggosh's specimen where it's nice and clear. The captive appears to have rather distinctive hedgehog-style hair! Hmm ... 
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General Discussion / Re: Fel Temp Reparatio "One captive"
« Last post by Joshmaggosh on February 01, 2024, 02:35:08 AM »Interesting discussion. I have a Constantius II version too that I like very much... here it is!
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General Discussion / Re: Fel Temp Reparatio "One captive"
« Last post by Heliodromus on January 31, 2024, 07:07:27 PM »It should be noted that in addition to the battle of the mints going on here, there was also the rather more significant battle of Mursa (which took place just east of Siscia) which was what turned Magnentius around and sent him in retreat back to Italy. Both sides took huge losses, and it is considered as one of the most bloody wars of the 4thC.
I'd assume that Magnentius Siscian coins were issued shortly after he took control of Siscia, and before the battle. It's not clear *exactly* when Constantius' Thessalonican Fel Temp type was issued. After his (considered pyrrhic) victory, perhaps ?
I'd assume that Magnentius Siscian coins were issued shortly after he took control of Siscia, and before the battle. It's not clear *exactly* when Constantius' Thessalonican Fel Temp type was issued. After his (considered pyrrhic) victory, perhaps ?
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General Discussion / Re: FRACTIONAL ISSUES OF 313
« Last post by Heliodromus on January 31, 2024, 05:59:15 PM »There were two groups of fractions issued from Rome shortly after Constantine's victory:
1) VIRT EXERCIT GALL, PACI PERPET (Constantine only)
2) FVNDAT PACIS, GLORIA PERPET, SAPIENTIA PRINCIPIS (Constantine + Licinius)
The first group, per the Gallic army reference, is celebrating Constantine's victory, and per bust style was issued first.
The second group (Licinius, Rome+Trier, etc) is clearly distinct from the first and must celebrate a different occasion, which it seems would generally have to be the new accord between Constantine and Licinius (cemented by Licinius marrying Constantia). Since the SAPIENTIA type copies an Arles solidus type (also issued for both Constantine & Licinius), it suggests a date after the death of Maximinus II (who does not appear at Arles) in 313. It's tempting to connect these types to the "edict of Milan", but given that Daia was still alive at the time of Licininius' visit to Milan, they may have been issued a bit later, even if that is what the SAPIENTIA type alludes to. Alternatively maybe these are just celebrating the alliance?
The bare headed busts would seem related to the reason/occasion for issue, and seems to fit well with a message of peaceful accord and familial connection - the propaganda message seems to be that this is a personal relationship. There is also an unlisted Trier fraction (featured on the cover of one of Zschucke's books) with bare headed busts that may be related to same occasion.
I agree these are hard to find in high grade (I haven't even bothered to acquire them myself), but some like the ones below are decent, so maybe there is nothing unusual there. The SAPIENTIA reverse (esp. owl!) is often poorly done, but that seems mainly due to the size (with this one smaller than the other two).
1) VIRT EXERCIT GALL, PACI PERPET (Constantine only)
2) FVNDAT PACIS, GLORIA PERPET, SAPIENTIA PRINCIPIS (Constantine + Licinius)
The first group, per the Gallic army reference, is celebrating Constantine's victory, and per bust style was issued first.
The second group (Licinius, Rome+Trier, etc) is clearly distinct from the first and must celebrate a different occasion, which it seems would generally have to be the new accord between Constantine and Licinius (cemented by Licinius marrying Constantia). Since the SAPIENTIA type copies an Arles solidus type (also issued for both Constantine & Licinius), it suggests a date after the death of Maximinus II (who does not appear at Arles) in 313. It's tempting to connect these types to the "edict of Milan", but given that Daia was still alive at the time of Licininius' visit to Milan, they may have been issued a bit later, even if that is what the SAPIENTIA type alludes to. Alternatively maybe these are just celebrating the alliance?
The bare headed busts would seem related to the reason/occasion for issue, and seems to fit well with a message of peaceful accord and familial connection - the propaganda message seems to be that this is a personal relationship. There is also an unlisted Trier fraction (featured on the cover of one of Zschucke's books) with bare headed busts that may be related to same occasion.
I agree these are hard to find in high grade (I haven't even bothered to acquire them myself), but some like the ones below are decent, so maybe there is nothing unusual there. The SAPIENTIA reverse (esp. owl!) is often poorly done, but that seems mainly due to the size (with this one smaller than the other two).
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General Discussion / Re: Fel Temp Reparatio "One captive"
« Last post by Fel Temp Reparatio on January 31, 2024, 05:15:56 PM »Thanks to everyone for contributions to the discussion.
This type is rarer for Costantius Gallus, it seems to me:
https://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-83650.htm
(don’t know yet attach pictures and links, sorry)
Goodnight
This type is rarer for Costantius Gallus, it seems to me:
https://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-83650.htm
(don’t know yet attach pictures and links, sorry)
Goodnight
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General Discussion / Re: FRACTIONAL ISSUES OF 313
« Last post by Victor on January 31, 2024, 04:45:49 PM »A guess as to why he is bare-headed...maybe to seem more peaceful. Helmeted busts are pretty martial and a laureate bust still says "hey, I'm the Emperor" but the bare head is very laid back and casual.