Late Roman Bronze Coins

Coin talk => Fakes => Topic started by: Victor on February 11, 2013, 03:52:51 PM

Title: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on February 11, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
more fakes from the "Smederova Hoard" being offered on E-Bay Germany by the seller telcoin




Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on February 11, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
and another from a different seller in Germany
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on March 03, 2013, 05:50:30 PM
Some more offerings from the "Smederova Hoard" from seller friedenwelt12 in Germany. These things turn up pretty often there.

Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on January 07, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
some more fakes from the "Smederova Hoard" being offered on Ebay in France by seller antiquehistory2013

http://www.ebay.fr/usr/antiquehistory2013


This is a fairly new Ebay account, so maybe he doesn't know that these are fakes.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Nikko on January 08, 2014, 03:40:14 PM
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/SBC-Lot-of-141-modern-beautiful-Imitations-of-Roman-coins-141-mod-Imitationen-/221337395804?pt=M%C3%BCnzen_Medaillen&hash=item3388bca25c

Cheap  :P
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on January 08, 2014, 05:28:05 PM
Cheap  :P

It is sad that he has had three offers already; but I guess the crooks need more fake coins to sell.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on February 25, 2016, 02:05:13 PM
like a bad penny, these keep turning up


Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Genio popvli romani on February 25, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
I have sent an email to Antiqva ltd about these coins and the Probus aurelianus ( http://www.nummus-bibleii.com/t5190p70-le-tresor-de-smederevo ).
Ansewer : "You are mistaken"
So, Antiqua ltd has entered my black list....
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Genio popvli romani on February 25, 2016, 04:09:55 PM
A few other specimens.


And an other Dangerous one (Constantius campgate) which is less offered.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on February 25, 2016, 05:08:25 PM
I have sent an email to Antiqva ltd about these coins and the Probus aurelianus ( http://www.nummus-bibleii.com/t5190p70-le-tresor-de-smederevo ).
Ansewer : "You are mistaken"
So, Antiqua ltd has entered my black list....

I am glad you contacted him, but it is a shame he did not believe you. So he is either a crook or stupid...or both.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on May 01, 2021, 02:56:12 PM

It's been a while since I have seen any of these "Smederova Hoard" coins for sale, much less a collection of them. I don't think the seller is a crook, just clueless.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: six2ten on October 21, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
A couple of reappearances in the next M&M sale, lots 220 and 222 ... these will be popping up forever I suspect
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on October 21, 2021, 03:12:02 PM
Hopefully they will pull them quickly from the auction.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Joshmaggosh on October 21, 2021, 09:09:27 PM
I got one of these in a cheap lot from an otherwise trustworthy seller a few years ago. I kept it as the other coins were fine and the cost was low. The flan looks and feels like an authentic coin (the scratches are odd), although fake.
 
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on October 21, 2021, 09:30:19 PM

These coins can be fairly deceptive, until you are familiar with them. The dies are not bad-- not good, but not bad either. They are also pressed, probably with some sort of hydraulic set up; versus struck. 
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Joshmaggosh on October 21, 2021, 09:39:57 PM
Yeah it almost feels like mine used a cruddy authentic coin as a flan. Anyway other than the pyre shape, not as obvious as some fakes.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on October 21, 2021, 09:43:49 PM
Yes, the flan on your example does look different from the usual suspects; but it's hard to be sure what's going, due to the scratches.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: six2ten on October 29, 2021, 01:56:08 AM
Hopefully they will pull them quickly from the auction.

I used the functionality on Biddr to report them to M&M and received a thank-you email a few days later advising they will be withdrawn, which they have been, which I was pleased to see.
Title: Re: "Smederova Hoard" fakes
Post by: Victor on October 29, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
it's good that they pulled it