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COTD / Re: Constantine I PROVIDENTIAE AVGG from Arles...campgate of the day
« Last post by Doug Hill on March 15, 2024, 09:46:21 PM »
Victor, wow, that is one nice campgate!
                 
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COTD / Constantine I PROVIDENTIAE AVGG from Arles...campgate of the day
« Last post by Victor on March 15, 2024, 12:56:16 PM »
Here's a pretty sharp campgate that I just got.

 


Constantine I
A.D. 327
20x21mm 3.6g
CONSTAN-TINVS AVG; laureate head right.
PROVIDEN-TIAE AVGG; camp gate, two turrets, no doors, star above; S-F across fields.
In ex. ARLS
RIC VII Arles 309
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COTD / Maximinus II GENIO CAESARIS from Cyzicus
« Last post by Victor on March 13, 2024, 12:03:16 PM »
a new Maximinus II

 


Maximinus II
A.D. 309- 310
Ӕ follis  24x25mm   8.4g
GAL VAL MAXIMINVS NOB C; laureate head right.
GENIO CAESARIS; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera from which liquid flows & cornucopiae; Γ in left, ✶in right.
In ex. MKV
RIC VI Cyzicus 55
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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Heliodromus on March 10, 2024, 09:10:52 AM »
I don't believe there is any real difference between "holding globe close to body" and "holding globe across body".

Lech says the same thing on his p.389 notes:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/notInRic/cv6.html

I think in cases like this there may have been some very minor difference between specimens - same basic arm bent, elbow out pose, holding globe close to body, but in one case really close to body, and in another with a slight gap. It's probably a result of recording the coins, without photographs to go back and compare, before they had seen enough coins to realize the big picture and properly determine the "multiple choice" categories.

The RIC 339 & 340 listings reference specimens in Vienna which unfortunately they don't have online, but it's possible they may give a photo if you ask (Lech has been successful before, but maybe because of his famous Not In RIC site). I'd bet the Vienna specimens look the same as all the others!

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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Adriaan78 on March 10, 2024, 08:19:36 AM »
EDIT:
I found some example of RIC 339 and 340 on NOT IN RIC and I agree that the coin is RIC 340. However, the difference between "holding globe close" and "across body" is completely unclear to me.
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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Adriaan78 on March 10, 2024, 05:35:44 AM »
Thank you Heliodromus. I completely agree with your description of Sol's pose, it is finally clear to me. However, with RIC 339 and 340 the position of the globe is described as "across body". I could not find out an example but I think it means that the the left arm crosses the body with the globe ending up on the left. Love to see some examples.

The current order in RIC:

RIC 316 - 323 Sol standing left, holding up a globe
RIC 324 - 330 Sol standing left, holding globe close
RIC 331 - 338 Sol standing right, holding up a globe
After RIC 338:Sol standing right, holding globe close

From this I would say that my coin a the 2 examples from Ramskold should be after RIC 338 as the group "Sol standing right, holding globe close". Due to the fact that there only few examples of this pose this group did not make it into RIC.





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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Heliodromus on March 09, 2024, 08:24:33 PM »
Just to clarify Sol's poses, the thing to pay attention to is his feet. We always see one foot in profile, and one foot front-on looking like a ball/blob.

When Sol is "standing left" his profile foot and face are pointing in the same direction.

When Sol is "standing right, head left" his profile foot and face are pointing in opposite directions.
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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Heliodromus on March 09, 2024, 08:01:51 PM »
Sorry - I made a mistake. Your coin has Sol "standing right, head left", "holding globe close to body" (which means arm bent, elbow stuck out), which makes your coin RIC 340 (LDCR). RIC doesn't have an LDR bust for this type.

RIC's description of Sol's poses leaves a bit to be desired. There are basically two poses, either " standing left" or "standing right, head left", but RIC confuses things by footnoting the "standing left" description with "or facing, head left" which is unhelpful and should be ignored. Leu seem to have been confused by this which is why they call that LC bust variety RIC 325 (standing left) when it is actually RIC 339 (standing right, head left).

The only pose that deserves to be called (and looks like) "standing front" is the rare variant where Sol's face is frontal, not seen in profile to left or right, such as specimen below from Vienna.
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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Adriaan78 on March 09, 2024, 02:54:15 PM »
Thank you very much Heliodromus. I was doubting as I thought it is his left elbow pointing out to the right and not a hand reaching out. Furthermore, the Ramskold auction also had a few examples for RIC 324 and 325 where the pose was called "standing front, but slightly turned to right". Example attached (not my coin). But maybe I am going into too much detail now...
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COTD / Re: SOLI INV-I-CTO COMITI for Constantine
« Last post by Heliodromus on March 09, 2024, 01:43:58 PM »
Your coin has Sol standing right, head left, so the choice is between RIC 331 (LDR) and 334 (LDCR). RIC 324 & 326 are Sol standing left.

I think it made no sense for RIC to distinguish between LDR and LDCR, and this is not consistently done. I would have called them all LDCR.

On your coin the shoulder pteruges do appear to be visible, implying a cuirass, so I'd say this one is unambiguously RIC 334 (LDCR).
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