Late Roman Bronze Coins

Coin talk => Unlisted => Topic started by: Victor on July 03, 2017, 02:40:56 PM

Title: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Victor on July 03, 2017, 02:40:56 PM
this SOL INVICTO has SOL clothed with clamys over shoulder, verus the normally nude with clamys over shoulder.

the price surprised me though...$368.00. 

I had a $210 bid in and thought it would be plenty...you just never know who is watching and wants a coin more than you do!



Constantinus I. AE-Follis Rom Sol
 
Kaiser: Constantinus I., 307-337 n.C.
Nominal: AE-Follis.
Stadt: Rom.
 
Vs.: IMP CONSTANTINVS PF AVG   Bel. Buste des Kaisers nach rechts.
Rs.: SOLI INVICTO COMITI   Sol steht im Mantel nach links, halt Globus und hebt die Hand, R S.
 
Erhaltung: gutes sehr schon, hochinteressanter Revers, braune Patina, selten.
 3,00g,  19mm. Kamp.: 136.180.
Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Victor on July 20, 2017, 09:25:26 AM
here's another example (not a reverse die match though) from the Suk El Kedim hoard (treasure of Misurata)  21mm   2.7gm

108,000 folles found in Libya in 1981. Mostly from A.D. 294- 333.

a link to a page that talks about why the fully clothed Sol versus the normally nude--

http://archeologos.ibam.cnr.it/il-sol-invictus-sotto-una-nuova-veste/

he brings up two possible reasons 1) modesty, maybe even a Christian engraver, or 2) Sol in a quadriga is always clothed (see second picture below), so perhaps copying more of an Eastern style of dress. 

I think it is just copying the style of Sol in quadriga.

Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on July 22, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Some links...

http://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6rom323av_p.html

http://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/6rom323av_s.html
Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Victor on July 22, 2017, 11:17:09 PM
thanks for the link...I didn't notice the one from the first workshop when it sold.
Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Lech Stępniewski on July 23, 2017, 07:30:51 AM
The reverse from another workshop (an probably from another die cutter) makes this whole thing more interesting. Three different dies. It couldn't happen accidentally. I also don't believe in modest Christian engraver. Probably instructions were wrong or at least unclear.
Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Genio popvli romani on August 03, 2017, 06:22:40 AM
I don't understand why he wants to compare with the quadriga types while the Eastern Sol/Head of Serapis types are icongraphically closer ?

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Il confronto più diretto, in questo caso, è con il Sole, rappresentato in veste di auriga (Helios) nelle emissioni di Antiochia.

(https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/74/3986/4034447.m.jpg)
(https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/3828/3885890.m.jpg)
(https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/54/3035/3149481.m.jpg)
(https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/54/2899/2980406.m.jpg)
(https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/80/1243/1025761.m.jpg)

What would be very interesting if the diameter of the coin that Victor shows is really 19mm, is that would made it struck after 313.
Title: Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
Post by: Victor on August 03, 2017, 08:57:42 AM
I don't understand why he wants to compare with the quadriga types while the Eastern Sol/Head of Serapis types are icongraphically closer ?


That's a good question...he may not have been familiar with the type, though I would expect that the hoard had several.