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Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« on: July 03, 2017, 02:40:56 PM »
this SOL INVICTO has SOL clothed with clamys over shoulder, verus the normally nude with clamys over shoulder.

the price surprised me though...$368.00. 

I had a $210 bid in and thought it would be plenty...you just never know who is watching and wants a coin more than you do!



Constantinus I. AE-Follis Rom Sol
 
Kaiser: Constantinus I., 307-337 n.C.
Nominal: AE-Follis.
Stadt: Rom.
 
Vs.: IMP CONSTANTINVS PF AVG   Bel. Büste des Kaisers nach rechts.
Rs.: SOLI INVICTO COMITI   Sol steht im Mantel nach links, hält Globus und hebt die Hand, R S.
 
Erhaltung: gutes sehr schön, hochinteressanter Revers, braune Patina, selten.
Maße:  3,00g,  19mm. Kamp.: 136.180.

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Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 09:25:26 AM »
here's another example (not a reverse die match though) from the Suk El Kedim hoard (treasure of Misurata)  21mm   2.7gm

108,000 folles found in Libya in 1981. Mostly from A.D. 294- 333.

a link to a page that talks about why the fully clothed Sol versus the normally nude--

http://archeologos.ibam.cnr.it/il-sol-invictus-sotto-una-nuova-veste/

he brings up two possible reasons 1) modesty, maybe even a Christian engraver, or 2) Sol in a quadriga is always clothed (see second picture below), so perhaps copying more of an Eastern style of dress. 

I think it is just copying the style of Sol in quadriga.



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Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2017, 11:17:09 PM »
thanks for the link...I didn't notice the one from the first workshop when it sold.

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Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2017, 07:30:51 AM »
The reverse from another workshop (an probably from another die cutter) makes this whole thing more interesting. Three different dies. It couldn't happen accidentally. I also don't believe in modest Christian engraver. Probably instructions were wrong or at least unclear.

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Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 06:22:40 AM »
I don't understand why he wants to compare with the quadriga types while the Eastern Sol/Head of Serapis types are icongraphically closer ?

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Il confronto più diretto, in questo caso, è con il Sole, rappresentato in veste di auriga (Helios) nelle emissioni di Antiochia.







What would be very interesting if the diameter of the coin that Victor shows is really 19mm, is that would made it struck after 313.
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Re: Constantine I SOL from Rome...Sol clothed
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 08:57:42 AM »
I don't understand why he wants to compare with the quadriga types while the Eastern Sol/Head of Serapis types are icongraphically closer ?


That's a good question...he may not have been familiar with the type, though I would expect that the hoard had several.