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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2017, 10:36:30 PM »
I didn't mind the linking. I have been a member of CCF for about 10 years, but rarely post there.

Yes, the legend could quite possibly be AET vs AETERNA, which is why I said "or some variation" as I don't feel sure on anything. On my reverse types page linked above, I simply recorded the legend as VICTORIA [??]

I tried counting letter shaped blobs and still was not certain. I even started "seeing" other possibilities, which did not make as much sense...instead of VICTORIA AE[??] maybe VICTORIA FE[LICITAS AVG] or VICTORIA TE[MPORVM AVG]

As far as it being a reworked die, I don't think it is likely. This goes far beyond just re-engraving, to the point of "un-engraving" -- adding metal to the die to fill in previous engravings, like the legend and arm positions. The two reverses certainly look very similar though; which seems to indicate the same engraver.

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2017, 03:34:53 PM »
Back staring at it again.

I have just been looking through some auctions and found this which immediately caught my eye -

http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=329413

Is there the ghost of a removed figure between the two standing or are my eyes deceiving me ?

Could this be another one from the same source ?


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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2017, 05:37:45 PM »
Could this be another one from the same source ?

that's the prow of a galley. Below is another example that is pretty clear

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2017, 12:11:35 PM »
Perhaps we are allowing ourselves to be too influenced by the model from Ostia.  I would like to offer another reading of the reverse legend.

Given the posture of the kneeling figure (perhaps Maximinus II?) and the recognition of only two emperors, plus the isolated appearance of the two letters after VICTORIA, and the apparent doubling of the final letter nearest the foot of the figure standing on right, I would submit: VICTORIA FE-LICIT AVGG

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
  I would like to offer another reading of the reverse legend.
I would submit: VICTORIA FE-LICIT AVGG

Yes, I have already said I am not sure of the reverse legend and offered other possibilities, which of course could include any variations of said legends FE[LICITAS] and TE[MPORVM] coupled with AVG, AVG N, AVGG, AVGG N, AVGG NN etc.

and another possibility-  VICTORIA PE[RPETVA]

instead of VICTORIA AE[??] maybe VICTORIA FE[LICITAS AVG] or VICTORIA TE[MPORVM AVG]

because of the uncertainty, I have listed this coin on my reverse types page as VICTORIA [??]

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2017, 10:50:37 AM »

This coin has a new home...back where it came from.

Arles Museum of Antiquity

http://www.arles-antique.cg13.fr/mdaa_cg13/root/index.htm

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2017, 01:11:08 PM »
That was a quick flip Victor.
I am assuming their offer was too good to turn down  ;)

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2017, 01:44:25 PM »
Great !
I've been informed of that good news this week-end, and was thinking it is a good thing that this part of Arles' history is coming back. Particularly at the town museum.
ROMA CAPVT MVNDI REGIT ORBIS FRENA ROTVNDI

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Re: Constantine I VICTORIA from Arles...urecorded
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2017, 02:36:13 PM »

I would like to thank everyone for the comments and link to the webpage that I finally made about this coin-

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/VICTORIA/